somali dna results

Its makes for great clarification when you look at Haplogroup E and the TWO large population expansions. Here the Puntites have none of the characteristic traits of Africans; on the contrary they exhibit some features which are peculiar to them alone, and others which are also found elsewhere. Somalia is SO CLOSE to Yemen and Yemens have virtually NO K2. That is why groups like the Welayta or Wolayta who speak Omotic have VERY high frequencies of M35* and V6 – I think they have the Highest of V6^. there has been a major breakthrough in the genetic sequencing. The direction is into Somalia, not from it. (2004), Cruciani et al. but im not gunna lie all my life i have been confused about what the hell i am like if im not considerd full black or asain and not considerd arab what am i? As I pointed out ( from memory here) they had a common ancestor in Egypt about 24k ago. Negotiating Full Time offers to be Part Time? Although Egyptians have a phenotype that seems specific to Egypt is still fights the broader one that is typical of North East Africa: Long head, oval eyes etc. Like I can change what the published study said. iam somali both parents pure somalis but iam not sure about my grandparents.i have straight long nose,small lips,hair is not silk but soft curly and my skin colour is light brown but in summer when i take sun it tends to get darker.my mum is very light and dad a bit dark ,they have straight noses ,small lips and semi soft hairs.i think somalis didnt appear suddenly in somalia ,they must have came from somewhere.my african friends ask me why we are different from other africans.mathilda i want to know who are somalis?thanks. You puzzle me, and scare me slightly too. It’s giving you results that are true, even if they’re not detailed. Berber history is very complex and Berber speakers are not found in Eurasia, nor is M81 – the Berber Marker – Which are the two most important things that make Berbers BERBER. To most African Americans i have spoke to and especially most Africans the notion of “Black” being synonymous with “Sub Saharan” is patently false. DNA, language and the fact that in Ancient Egypt it was referred to their land of origin. However must light skin somalians clam something they r not. And I don’t pretend there were no black people in upper Egypt, please refer to the mummy reconstruction page for evidence. You should really not be looking at all Eurasian DNA as been recent or non dynastic, as most of it does date back that far, and further. How much are we bit related to Egyptians and Yemeni people and why can u tell who is somali and r we Sub-Saharan Africans or mixed race because we dont look mix race. -Somalia only have 6 individuals sampled that were Haplogroup J. But even the darkest somali still has medium sized lips with a small nose. Who came first? Baby ellie wakes buddy up, just to take their place. I have noticed though that we do not look like other Guineans or other W. Africans. “I don’t really care what a pop. 1, there clearly is a tie between them that is diluted the farther one gets from sub-Saharan Africa. science is not be found here. In Iraqis, 12 haplogroups were identified including J2*(xJ2f2) (29.7%) and J*(xJ2) (26.6%). How do you explain that, you ll probably say that they all have a bit of caucasian, but some others would say they are all coming from africa since sharing DNA means heritating it from somewhere . (2000BC~6000BC), this is not a surprise, since they are next to us. Many Africans themselves call themselves “Red” – But socially they are under the umbrella of people that would be called “Black.” This is what is hard for me to understand, first we were discussing genetics and migrations but NOW you seem to be using semantics and arguing over exactly WHO is “Black” WITHIN AFRICA – Even when they have BROWN SKIN. I am trying to find that paper on Yemen. How doe it explain that Africans have more ancient genes than any other race? hahahahahaha there are no logic here ! I’m going off topic here but I am noticing a trend and really would like to see how africa or other nations South America, China etc. Some has Portugese ancestry some don’t. Look up the word ‘Afrocentric’. And I suppose there is some study that shows that East Africans are genetically closer to Europeans than West Africans? These myrrh trees might even have been replanted in the temple at Deir el-Bahri itself, judging from the surviving traces of tree pits there.”. Then you got trading Arabs in historical times settling in Somalia too, mostly on the coast.” Ok, let me tell you this Mathilda. Regardless of what automosal testing or MtDNA would show, the MALE ANCESTRY still has an Affinity with M35 because it comes FROM M35 {Not speaking of Ethiopia, or even Africa and definitely not race} the marker its self comes from the M35 Marker and no other Marker in existence. Considering the close proximity of the archeological findings where man walked and lived first it is not quite amazing. No Igbo, the parent group for Berbers E3b1 is North African in origin and about 24k old. Thank you for posting this, it is apreciated. Not according to the three of the worlds leading Egyptologists, whose book I just read. E-M81 how much is euasian do somalis have ? Somalis and Ethiopains have a lot of Arab/near Eastern ancestry in them (a bit less than half), and it means that European/East African children actually look more middle eastern than anything. Matilda, you regarded Somalis / Ethiopian as black people? Predynastic upper Egyptians were pretty much the same as they are now, which goes from being occassionally black but mostly assorted shades of brown and mixed looking. Even the Nubians of Egypt and Sudan are considered to be white. No, actually North East Africa is specifically NOT Somali or Ethiopia. My mom, looks egyptian, in fact my Kenyan friend couldn’t believe me when I told him. In comparison Changing K to H you have in Arabic: Huwa (the one), Hiwa, Huwana The majority of historical sources agree that Punt was in eastern Africa as the Ancient Egyptians describe it as being the source of many exotic products, such as aromatic resins, African blackwood, ebony, ivory etc. Technically incorrect, they came from a Western Eurasian population about 40k ago, who had probably been non African for about twice that length of tiime, We have the dominant gene you fool, and you are in the minority. But how you can explain this: But don’t forget, if your DNA says you are M78, you’re not the only European coming from Africa…everyone came from Africa. In terms of tribes Darood which is the largest tribe in somalia was a man who came from yemen, Isaac was also stated to have arab roots, When these two arrived the indiginous somalis that lived there were of the Hawiyee tribe. You”re doing a good job Mathilda37, but from your intervention I can see you’re a bit dans le Eurocentric camp. This will tell you that the Afrosiatic peoples had there origin in the horn of africa. Although they are Yap+ as Haplgroup D is Yap+, They belong to Asian Haplogroup D, and probably Mtdna M. As a matter of fact seems to me that “Negritos” are only “Negros” with Asian DNA.? Matilda, you’re wrong. I’m not questioning DNA what I’m questioning is the theory behind the facts no one said(present research presented to us) Somali men have 46% of european genes so therefore it is b/c ……. Great post Latifa but i dont think mathilda understand what “Black” Means as we are using it now. Good luck being a hebrew moorish malian. I know we came first. Africa is the most diverse continent on this planet, researchers and scientists have noted. This is what I meant when i kept saying “I am unsure exactly what you are trying to say about this population.”. My fiancé is following his ex on IG from his business page. European V13 is much closer to Somali V12, than to any subclade of E1b1b. Then you got trading Arabs in historical times settling in Somalia too, mostly on the coast. Therefore they have NOTHING Genetically that ties them into (recent – post OOA) Africa. Actually a lot of African tribes are darker than any UV explanation can account for. They can have their opinions, and just because I’m not a population geneticist doesn’t mean that your opinion is better than mine. Arabid There are multiple images of them- some have fair hair and light skin. I am not really sure where K2 is from but i dont think its African. Do you have any theory, how mtdna N1b ended up to Somalia!. As above you state that there was movement from Soutehern Egypt to Ethiopia/Somalia – I fully agree, what do you think of this example: -There is a 6ooo year gap between Ethiopian M35 and Egyptian M78 V13 Europeans, V12 Somalis, Nubians & other M78 people are one very close genetic group, but we have our own cultures & nationalities. So that bit confuses me about how we lost our african traits and to add to that my cousins are half somali half german and they have very pale white skin with straight dark brown hair and green eyes. If a group of People that Originated M35 go their separate ways that is what you have, different migrations of the SAME populations harboring M35* Tigre, Tigrinya, Amhara all about~30% J1 that came from teh Semitic people. Semitic languages have an African origin ultimately! It is not a disputed idea, it is widely accepted. There are specific markers that have STR characteristics that show how recent they are, and are typical of Mathilda: Are you implying that we are more related to Eurasians? Information about Punt has been found in ancient Egyptian records of trade missions to this region, previously believed to be in Somalia. Our genetics show that we are African with a very insignificant amount of admixture with any other race. I realize it may have moved back into Africa, after having been gone for a long while (as in some Somalians for instance, as discussed above). A ‘perceived superiority’ is not the tone I got from you. Our features are very similar to those of Somalians and Ethiopians and even north Africans. As an example , Eurasian R1 is at about 40% in Cameroon, but it’s pretty unlikely that this shows any kind of recent population movement from Arabia. The Oxford History of Ancient Egypt, Ian Shaw, p. 317, 2003: “There is still some debate regarding the precise location of Punt, which was once identified with the region of modern Somalia. People always try to figure out the race from the language but I am sure that can not be the exact way to determine the race of certain tribes. are somalis 80% sub Saharan African 15% eygptians and 5% ARAB. you too. Maternally they have a lot more SSA in them maternally, around 70% SSA lines, but more like 80% if you assume some SSA ancestry to their M1 mt DNA. the veyr pale skin European had is only about 8k old. That was surprising but very understandable to read about on your blog. Ethiopians are of Semitic origin and share ancestry and a great mixture with people in Southern Arabia. It’s preposterous to claim part Caucasoid ancestry because of 40% M1 haplogroup which is believed to have come to the horn 40,000 years ago. read ‘Mysterious lands’. Have you ever considered the reason why African groups with straight hair is because Eurasians got it from these African groups that migrated? Although those ancestors lived thousands of years ago. It was actually absolutely descriptive of his skin colour, he had the blackest skin colour I’ve ever seen on a human. European very pale skin is a recent response to Neolithic grain based diets, something thats much more recent to the rest of the world, which is why hunter gatherer groups have darker skin.. Eskimos eat a lot of vitamin D, they do not require a lighter skin tone. Celebrity News and Gossip. i like your theorie luaguages is an important tool to trace any population.like any other luanguages we have some influence from outside but they are minimal.oromo afar and somali are close.arabe have little influence in the somali except for religious terms.no race is pure but ancient egyptian is in our blood.somali culture have egyptian influence. I don’t get why everyone feels the need to argue over this one. About 40% of Somali ancestry can be found to be traceable to the near East mostly dating back about 40k years in Africa (from autosomal DNA) – the Y chr aren’t a great guide in East Africa. Also people from somaliland said we are mixed with yemeni people is this true they never said nothing about berbers at all. Somalis are about half made up of these very ancient Egyptian people. I’m a proponent of the theory that Somalis form the basis for all non-African populations, “The most distinct separation is between African and non-African populations. The article on Jefferson from BBC said, it was considered odd for him because this haplogroup has more of a “Middle Eastern affinity” in general. Igbo, lineage and racial/population affinity can be a whole different kettle of fish. The East Africans were brought up becasuse DUH this thread is about an East African which you hebrew hoteps claim are admixed because they aren't half past midnight black which you hoteps believe is the only type of African or real black person to exist on earth. Similarly the v13 in the Balkans has pretty much lost any affinity for east Africa through about two bottle necks and a shed lot of time and additions of Eurasian ancestry into the population it came from. Honey, a lot of Somali ancestry comes from the near East (a long time ago) so the more typically African traits tend to get a bit swamped when the kids have European and middle eastern parents. (2007), the presence of E-M78 in East Africa, is the result of a back migration of E-M215 chromosomes that had acquired the E-M78 mutation. I’ve read comments that girls have turned him down or broken it off because they said he was too clingy. when they read the porportion of their ancestry that comes from black Africans. One girl (with her jet black dad from Cameroon) I met had bone white skin. Contradictory results from DNA racial studies. To the somali girl MAQDIS Iam just like you a somali guy and in my family we have diverse features. my mum is light but her brother are brown ? There are some texts that explicitly say Punt was in Asia. Examples of such variants include the y-chromosomal haplogroup E1b1b and mitochondrial haplogroup M1. The border has more political and economical background instead of race. It seems E3b1 carriers have a portion of Eurasian ancestry from upper Egypt, so it would probably be a bit more than it seems at first. Most Somali’s seem to look alike facially. That’s all I have to say. The ancestral homeland of the Ancient Egyptians is Somalia ( Punt). E3b is E-M215 ONLY Seen in Sudan and Ethiopia. I’m sorry I don’t understand.. which asians? Exclusion of African data that does not meet pre-determined racial models. as i said before, as long as you can proof it, you can come with whatever you want. ! Proponents of the view that Puntites were from African have recognized that the Puntites were not black Africans. (2) Do you know if the tested sample is predominantly from one geographic propinquity, in other words how spatially distributed were the people in terms of their clan affiliation. Somalis and upper Egyptians have very similar DNA profiles but no-one debates that upper Egyptians are have a lot of eurasian ancestry in them. Thanks for the info. Somalis are black FULLSTOP white people have diveristy you have blondes from scandanavia then you have really dark (almost arab looking) italians and spaniards. pity you! STAN Fair, Username7, Jan 11, 2021 at 8:07 PM Doing str testing, my ancestors & the modern Somalis were the same people around (2500BC~7500BC), thats very close common ancestors. If that area of migration was such a mixing pot so long ago, it really does not reflect in some of the populations that splintered off from Southern Egypt. The autosomal studies show that as a whole Somalis are about 40% Eurasian, which is about the same as Ethiopians. Sorry i cannot give you any link with sources because some of this info I got from books. Saying 18 million Somalis are 40% Eurasian is extremely misleading. STAN Fair, Stantonlikzaddy I was exasperated by the time I got t o 40! What do my experiences with individual Africans have to do with knowing U.S history and knowing black American history? Also, their next door neighbors, the Ethiopians look like them so it’s an ethnic type that most likely originated in the Horn of Africa. They also used to have fights with them- Somalia is too far away for that. within a few years we will hear a whole new theorie, thats the way it goes. I’m guessing you haven’t. berbers are not closely related to black africans but a lot closely related to europeans this is the truth (Igbo) ! Also I’m an INTJ, it’s just how we sound when we have to keep repeating ourselves. Not just one individual but a few Saleebaans. | You are also rejecting that the land of Punt was in the Horn of Africa, the actual Somaliland. My definition has more to do with biological relationships than skin tone, because some all Eurasian people can have dark skin. Somaliland is Referred to in medieval times as Bilad al Barbar (“Land of the Berbers”). if we have Asian admixture it would probably be higher. STAN Fair. Yet white north Africans and arabs just shrug and go mm? The project is open to all Somali from all regions (Somalia, … after 20,000 you would still be white, with blue eyes. Whatever somali are discussing is a typical of most Oromo. Saying that E3b moved into North East Africa is wrong- it remained there during the backmigration and appears to have been at the area where the new Eur-African population and old African population met and mixed, instead of the Eurasians wiping the Africans out, which is what happened across the rest of north Africa. Take a look at this picture of Somali nomads –Somali dress and culture is strikingly similar to that of Ancient Egyptians: Somali language is also far more similar to Ancient Egyptian. North East/East African. Means I have to delete an old entry. And that many other ethnicities have bits of this incorporated in their gene pole suggesting that the somali ancestor is humanities ancestor. You carry some African, Asian blood. So all people come from Africa, and considering the racism of darker people that amount of mixing you keeping talking about is essentially impossible. People are calling it Arab when it is not Arab at all, but it's ignorance. I use to ask, so what is my skin colour yellow? Unless the Albanians and Greeks, who have 40% East African genes are considered part African, the Somalis cannot be considered part Caucasoid. In this sense to me it mean ‘sub saharan African’, but I know to a lot of Americans it means anyone with any visisble African ancestry. I don’t know you, and I have no right to pass judgment on you. why can’t Africans have the same diversity its the 2nd biggest continent afterall. The fact that Somalis have the highest levels of E3b1 of any population in the world should make it clear that they are the population in which that haplotype group originated. Somali m78 is different to European v13. The overall autosomal study shows Somais like Ethiopians to be aboput 40% Eurasian, but with a lot less historic Arab input. {E1b1b1a1b or Variant 32 is what comes Back in Ethiopia/Sudan/Somalia etc} Our features are very similar to those of Ethiopians and Somalians and even some north africans. Actually they have near Eastern and not European ancestry. We do not resemble the general west african population. “The v13 in Albanians doesn’t have any connection to Somalia, It’s from the near East”, I did enough research on my own personal DNA journey, I paid for it so I know exactly my lineage . Jomo it’s actual science and I’m quoting it not making it up. This constant push to move Ancient Egyptian away from its African context is incorrect. Overall, Somali are about 1/3 West Eurasian (people from near East/Europe) or so I’ve worked out. I don’t expect you to publish this comment, and quite frankly I don’t really care whether you do or not. The entire Horn of Africa region from Egypt to Somalia have ancient socio-linguistic, genetic and cultural connections and a shared history. It is understandable that these people might have had a more recent interaction with peoples from outside including slaves from east africa or traders from across the seas in arabia, persia, india and china. Mainly they have affinties with Ethiopians. You say that Eb31/E1b1…M78 is not originally from East-Africa meaning Horn of Africa! What site did you dredge that from? Dona- Diop wasn’t any kind of anthrolopologist and carefully edited and ‘retranslated’ things until,they said what he wanted. We sure are unique in our own way, we are proud of our EuroAsian and Afro heritage. Scientists recently decided to name the whole group “Somalid”. You have an Article: “The Jarawa, Onge and Sentinelese of the Andaman islands.”. So, they are descendants of us not the other way around. Jun 16, 2016 #31. Funny old world. Southern Egyptians have distinct features but still fit the broad Elongated type of many North East Africans. You also only seem to be looking at depictions of male Egyptians (red ochre) on the walls. Majeerteen DNA results. My point here is Somali’s are quite diverse in looking and what I’m reading from comments is the typical Somali look that some stereotype as the nation’s 3 everyone looks like a tend to generalize. STAN Fair, felicia0328, Jan 11, 2021 at 8:07 PM I think the funniest thing is that he’s tried to title it like a formal publication in the hope people will swallow it. The temples when referring to Puntites show people with “dark reddish skin, fine features, long hair” who wore “long to medium goatee”. Majeerteen DNA results. We are wary of foreigners. A gentleman said the some somalis have straight hair but unlike European, well I disagree, I’m pure somali(as in parents are full Somali) and I have soft European like hair as members of my family and relatives have’nt, and I know a few other somalis have too. 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